Showing posts with label Gayle Greene. Show all posts
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Tuesday, November 28, 2017

Interview with Author Gayle Greene on Missing Persons


Gayle Greene has just released a new book, a memoir called Missing Persons that delves into her family relationships as she became aware of them after her mother died. 

LH: Gayle, you wrote extensively about feminism in literature and then turned to works that were less critical, more creative in the nonfiction realm.  As you know, my favorite was your book about Dr. Alice Hamilton and her crusade to save babies from damage from in utero x-rays.  Now, you’ve written a memoir, a new genre within nonfiction, in many ways a more painful and challenging endeavor.  Can you tell my blog readers what caused you to turn in this direction?

GG: What catapulted me into writing this book was my mother’s death, and her sister’s, six weeks before, an aunt who’d been a second mother to me.   Only after their deaths did I feel the full force of what it means to be the sole survivor of a family, having never made a family of my own.  These losses forced other losses to surface, long repressed, the suicide of my younger brother, the death of my father, losses I’d rushed through in a state of denial and distraction.  Only after my family was gone did I get it:  this is what family is about, and faith, and other stuff I’d given no thought to;  I was left with none of the consolations people usually turn to at a time like this.  Yet I had to find some way of commemorating these lives, these deaths, of letting go and moving on, in the absence of beliefs that might guide me through this process.  As the professional identity on which I’d based my selfhood began to feel brittle and trivial, I was catapulted into questions of who am I, what have I done with my life?  Classic identity crisis stuff, at age 54 —how’d I get so old, and know so little? 

LH: Was your early life centered around your mother?  Were you quite close to her?

GG: I was blindsided, utterly bereaved.  It’s not that I’d centered on my mother and aunt;  actually, I was one of those kids who couldn’t wait to get away from home. I bolted out when I was barely 17;  like many of my generation of women, I was determined not to be my mother;   I put a continent between us.  But in the course of time, I’d found a way back, and my mother and I became like… well, like mother and daughter.   In ways much deeper than I’d realized, I’d counted on her and my aunt;  the men left—my brother committed suicide, my father’s women got younger and younger –but the women stayed, bedrock, always there.  These two extraordinary women had made me feel like the center of the universe.   A bit late in the day to be jolted out of that illusion— but hey, who ever said that growing up is a process reserved for the young. 

LH: Breaking illusions and facing hard truths can be terribly painful.  Do you feel that you had to screw up your courage before you could take on this project?

GG: It wasn’t a matter of gathering the courage—it was that I could not stop myself writing it.  Face it, even the best of friends gets tired of hearing you go on and on, their eyes glaze—I mean, everyone loses a mother, right?   So I began to write, and it sort of poured out;  at first it was writing for my sake, therapeutic, but then I found myself shaping it into memoir.  Writing became a way of grieving, keeping my aunt and mother with me awhile longer while I said a long goodbye.  Writing was also a way of discovering what was left.  These words of Wordsworth haunted me as I write:  we will grieve not, rather find strength in what remains.

So the book looks backward to the past, as I try to undo the cathected knot between my mother and me, and forward, as I search for what remains, piecing together from the shards and remnants of our lives a story that can sustain me.   Because that’s a big thing that goes missing when you go through major loss:  you lose the story of your life.  You need a new story.

LH:  A lot of your readers will be people of an age where they are facing issues that resonate with yours, trying to cope with the loss of a parent or other close person in some way that leaves space for continued living with insight and enjoyment.  What will Missing Persons offer to such readers?

GG: Missing Persons tells a story so familiar, so like what so many people go through that I think many readers will find themselves in this book:  the sudden health emergencies, the flailing about in search of help, dealing with medications that make things worse, with doctors who are clueless about death, with a health care “system” so tangled in red tape that it would be comic if it weren’t a nightmare;  the inexorable slide to the end.  Then, figuring out a way to mourn that’s not scripted by belief systems of the past, groping my way toward practices that make emotional sense, patching together ways of grieving and letting go.  Figuring out what to do with the ashes, how to make a memorial,   what to do with the things—so many things!  My mother’s house is loaded to the rafters, there are things on the rafters, too:   as each family member died, their things landed here.  And what to do with the photos, decades of achingly beautiful photos of a family gone missing, a California gone missing.

And I discover, to my surprise, that going through these tasks is strangely healing.  Even what had seemed the most onerous, clearing out the house, having a garage sale, turns out to be a step in the letting go;  sorting out the things becomes a way of sorting myself out.  And the memorials I thought I was making for my mother and aunt, turn out to help me, too, in odd and surprising ways. 

LH:  I’ve sensed in talking with agents and publishers that their ideal memoir today is full of trauma and disaster for the author, a tragic childhood or coming of age that left permanent scars.  Did your memoir offer these aspects?

GG: This is not a sensationalist story.  I was never a gang member or raped by an uncle or anything like that.  There was drama in our family, but it was a closer-to-home kind of drama, suicide, depression, adultery, the kinds of skeletons lots of families have rattling around in closets.  Nor is this a story about a woman who takes off for foreign countries to find a guru or a new man;  the one I had turned out to be just fine.   In fact I found that the supports that had sustained me in the past sustained me now;  they were  right there under my nose, though I hadn’t appreciated.  Friendships, which I began to take less for granted.    My work, which I looked at anew;   I’d been a professor so long that it had become second nature;  only now did I register what a rare and special privilege it is to be a teacher.   I turned to reading, which I always turn to in times of trouble, and it delivered, too.  I read every grief memoir I could find, and then I found myself writing one.   Gratitude is the word I’m looking for.   Seeing my life anew.

LH: When I wrote my memoir, I found surprising insights that I never expected.  Did that happen to you?

GG: Here are some things I learned:  don’t rush away from loss, as I did from my brother’s and father’s deaths.  Sit with it, get quiet, feel what you’re feeling, make a space to mourn, take time for grieving, if you can.   Join a support group.  Talk it out.  Write it out.   Grief, the self-help books tell you, is not a neat, linear process;  it is messy, takes its own time;  it will not be rushed.   Reach inside yourself, find out what’s there, see what’s in your life to love.   My dreams started tossing up amazing things.  I began to have such vivid dreams about my family that that they felt like visitations.   All of this is in the book; but I tried to show these processes working their way through, not just describe them.  I wrote the kind of book I’d been looking for.

I don’t mean to sound all Mary Poppins.  The losses were horrific, not to be talked away.  The dead don’t return, no matter how we long for them, dream about them, write about them;  the losses are absolute.  But we can, even those of us who have no gods, find ways of keeping what we cherish about them, making them part of ourselves, and in that sense, keep them with us.  This, too, I write about in the book.

LH:  What’s special about your book?  Why weren’t the others what you’d “been looking for?”

GG: Most of the grief memoirs I read focused on death and ended with death, which was   kind of a bummer.  But mine begins with the deaths, and asks, what now?  It’s said that the loss of a parent is a rite of passage—but passage to where?  and how? especially in the absence of the consolations people turn to at a time like this, family and faith.  I never found a book that addressed the issues I was struggling with.   Mid-life loss of a parent has a special poignancy:   mortality is closer.   Mine is a story of a career woman, unmarried, without family, who came to feel the cost of her decisions, yet also to realize that teaching as long as I had, I had lots of “kids,” and I was better at this than I’d have been at children.  And my mother.  I read every memoir I could find about mothers;  I found weak mothers, wretched mothers, manipulative   mothers, strong mothers, heroic mothers, but I never found my mother.  I think all mothers in the world are simpler than mine.  A lot of this writing is trying to get her in focus;   I’m not sure I ever did— it’s a work in progress, our relationship.  As it’s said, death ends a life but not a relationship.
 
And the setting,  Silicon Valley, I never saw written about this way.   These days, all you hear is hype:  the largest generator of wealth in the history of the planet, the high-tech center of the world; if the valley were a nation it would be up there among the world’s dozen richest.  Now it seems every place wants to be Silicon Valley.  Well, careful what you wish for.

LH: You grew up in Silicon Valley when it was still Santa Clara Valley, no computers, no high powered money corporations and venture capitalists, few buildings and cars.  What do you recall about it in the early days?

GG: It was a place so paradisiacal that it was called the “Valley of Heart’s Delight”;  people came from miles around to marvel at its beauty in the spring.   First came the almonds, all in white, then the peaches, pears, cherries, apricots, decked out in gossamer petals of the palest pink.  Last came the plums, their blooms a deep, rosy pink, their scent so strong it came in through closed windows.  I grew up in the years the vast orchards were being dug up and paved over for tract housing, strip malls, freeways;  the sound of bulldozers, backhoes, the sickening thunk of trunk and branches as they hit the ground, the ratatatat of hammers as the housing developments sprang up and spread like fungus—this was the background noise of my youth.

Our house had an orchard in back and an orchard at the end of the block, which I’d walk through on my way to school.  The ranch style house my father bought us when my parents split up in 1953 cost $14,000—that’s $124,000 in today’s dollars.  You’d need three or four million to buy that house today— I kid you not.  Back then, the neighbors were just folks, not zillionaires, a furniture salesman, a car salesman, a pharmacist.   Los Altos was not the high-end boutique community that it is now, but a sleepy semi-suburban, semi-rural town.  This was my world when I was a kid, a world I roamed freely by foot and bike, this and the little downtown a mile to the north, that had Clint’s Ice Cream Parlor, Al’s Barber Shop, a mom and pop hardware store, and Mac’s Tea Room, the bar where my friends’ mothers hung out.

LH:  Wonderful memory details, it really shows me how much was lost when California gained its famous Silicon Valley.   What do you see there today?

GG: There’s so much money in this valley now,  computers, electronics, microelectronics, semiconductors, telecommunications, video games, the internet, biotech, Venture Capitalists so rapacious as to be termed Vulture Capitalists.   But there is also a gap between rich and poor wider than anywhere in the country, and traffic gridlock so colossal it gets reported in the New York Times.  And there are 23 Superfund sites.    You don’t have to grow up in Silicon Valley to have lived through this kind of ruination of a landscape.  The song that haunts me as I’m packing up my mother’s house and saying goodbye to the valley— they paved paradise and put up a parking lot— turns out not to have been written about California, as I’d assumed, but Hawaii.  It’s a theme of our time.   

So the book writes a chapter in the unwritten history of Silicon Valley.   

LH: You’ve said that once you sat down to write this story, it came almost too fast.  Can you describe the process of writing the book?

GG: The pouring-out-of-the story way of writing has its disadvantages.  I had a glut of material to work with.  But how do you decide, when you’re writing about your life—which is intensely interesting and meaningful to you—what parts might have meaning for anyone else?  I spent a lot of time teasing out the story from all that material and shaping it, structuring it, so it could be grasped by readers, a lot of time figuring out what parts might have meaning for others.  I figured the subject, losing a mother, wasn’t about to go out of style, so I took what time I needed.    Memoir has a bad name in some circles, and I see why—there are a lot of bad memoirs.  Celebrities seem to think a memoir has no more craft than a blog or a journal, and even the best of writers throw their memoirs together without the care they’d take with their novels.  But there is a difference between an artful memoir and a thrown-together memoir.   There are not many memoirs I’d put in a college syllabus, that are complex, layered, nuanced interesting enough to spend a literature class’ time on.  I’ve read dozens of memoirs, looking for books I can teach, and keep  coming back to the same half dozen or so, classics like This Boy’s Life, Fierce Attachments.  

LH:  Thank you for letting the blog readers understand the background of your memoir.

GG:  I hope they will read it; it’s available widely in bookstores and online.





Monday, May 14, 2012

Gayle Greene on Insomniac

Gayle, you are an insomniac, so did you find yourself with a mound of research for your own purposes and decide to write this book, or how did you decide to do it?

It was a middle of the night inspiration. My partner was trying to get to sleep and I was yammering away, with the 3 AM spurt of energy I usually get, and I said, out of nowhere, “I think my next book should be about insomnia.” Long pause, I thought I’d lost him— then much to my surprise, he said, “that’s a very good idea.”

Turn your obsessions into books, I tell my students; I mean, how else are you going to stay with the material long enough to make it into a book, unless you’re obsessed with it? I think of Laura Hillebrand, ill and impoverished, hanging in there writing the book she had to write. Her friends probably thought she was crazy—“you’re writing about a racehorse?” –but what a great book Seabiscuit turned out to be. Well, insomnia is the problem I’ve been obsessed with, that I’ve lived around, that’s bent my life into its weird shape, vampire hours and all; and I had so much frustration built up around this issue, from hearing useless advice from doctors and well-meaning friends and family, telling me I should just relax, drink some warm milk, take a hot bath. You have to live in the body of a person who can’t sleep night after night to know what chronic insomnia is , how it wears you down, and no doctor I ever talked to had a clue.

You describe a less-than-helpful response of the medical establishment to insomnia. What do you think causes doctors to act like it’s not a serious problem?

Medical training is a hazing in sleep deprivation, and many doctors pride themselves on how little sleep they need. You have to be a good sleeper to get through medical school and residency, you need to be able to drop off easily and wake quickly, and it helps if you don't need much sleep; someone like me would never make it through. There’s enormous variability in how much sleep we need and how we react to sleep loss, and the differences are genetic; they’re not a matter of character or will power. So the medical profession is to some extent self-selective when it comes to sleep, which is why doctors don’t have a lot of tolerance for sleep problems: buck up, get a grip, a little sleep loss never hurt anybody, it must be something you’re doing wrong, you have bad sleep habits, or (my least favorite) you probably don’t need as much sleep as you think. When a condition is not well understood, there’s a tendency to blame the patient—we’ve seen this with migraines, ulcers, and other problems once said to be psychological, now known to have a physiological basis. Narcolepsy used to blamed on the laziness or craziness of the sufferer, and sufferers of REM Behavior Disorder, who act out their dreams, were said to have a screw loose; but in the past several years there have been breakthroughs with both of these sleep disorders, so that they’re now understood to be a glitch in the brain, not the mind gone awry. We’re far from any breakthrough like that with insomnia, and it’s always easier to say, "it’s something you’re doing wrong" than to say, "we don’t know and we can’t help." Doctors don’t really know much about sleep: they get 1-2 hours instruction about sleep in their entire medical education and training. And even sleep researchers can’t tell us how we sleep, or why.
I’ve heard people say Heath Ledger and Michael Jackson would still be alive if they had not had insomnia. Is that your impression? Who else has struggled with this disorder?
Insomnia is practically an occupational hazard for actors. Lady Gaga and George Clooney are recently in the news with this problem; a few years ago, it was Eminem and Drew Barrymore. My question is not why some actors have it, but why they all don’t have it, considering the stress they’re under. Imagine having an early morning shoot, needing to look bright-eyed and beautiful before a camera, the world watching at close range, as you appear, hollowed out and haggard from lack of sleep. You’d need nerves of steel, you’d need a “heat-hits-the-pillow-and-I’m-out” kind of sleep system, which not everybody has. Elvis had serious insomnia and got hooked into an upper-downer cycle, as did Judy Garland, uppers to control her weight, sleeping pills to sleep. She died of an overdose; so did Marilyn Monroe and Anna Nicole Smith. The prescription drugs found in Heath Ledger’s apartment, Lunesta, Ambien, Restoril, Ativan, Xanax, Valium, were all for sleep; he was desperate for sleep, as was Michael Jackson. Insomniacs shudder at these stories; most of us have had moments when we’ll do anything for sleep.
In a poignant moment for me, I read that you were ignored at scientific meetings you had visited trying to learn what scientists were studying to help cure insomnia. Do you think this treatment was because you were out of the field, because you are a woman, or both?

Those meetings were so awful I had to laugh—in fact, that’s the only way I could write about them, in comic vein. I think it was ageism more than sexism, actually—if I’d been 30 rather than late fifties-early sixties, I’d have had no trouble getting those guys to give me the time of day. A few were friendly and interested and forthcoming, but with most, eyes would click up and down, doing that measuring thing people do, ticking off sex, age, style, position, figuring out whether you’re important enough to warrant time. One man turned on his heel and walked away, mid sentence; two refused to speak to me without honoraria; one hung up on me. I think it was partly that I was not a scientist, but also, there’s also a deep dislike of insomniacs —“the only thing I like to see walk through my office door less than a kid with ADD is an insomniac,” I heard a doctor say. “It’ a swamp,” a researcher said, “a can of worms.” So I had pretty much everything going against me, I had outsider stamped all over me, with my peasant skirts and unruly hair, and I probably did look a little alarming, doing these conferences on 3-4 hours sleep, and I probably came on strong, as the questions pent up for years came rushing out. But the bottom line is, they’re used to being the observers, the ones who are doing the studies, not the ones being studied, especially not by the likes of me. And I did feel like I was studying them as an alien tribe. (Did I tell you, Insomniac was shortlisted for the Gregory Bateson Prize, Society for Cultural Anthropology?)
How did you get the science background to write the book?

The chutzpah, you mean. I grew up in a family where bodies were interesting and a subject of conversation. My father was a doctor, and my mother was tremendously knowledgeable about bodies and health. The book I wrote before Insomniac was a biography of a woman scientist, Dr. Alice Stewart (The Woman Who Knew Too Much: Alice Stewart and the Secrets of Radiation), and though her area was radiation epidemiology, she was a physician, and working with her taught me how to read a scientific study, and made me bolder about writing about science on my own. She discovered in the 1950s that if you x-ray pregnant women, you double the risk of a childhood cancer, a discovery that revolutionized medical practice and made her a guru of the anti-nuclear movement. Before that, I co-authored a book on cancer and the environment with a physician, Dr. Vicki Ratner, and learned an enormous amount from her; that book never got pushed through to publication, because I ended up writing about Stewart instead. But I’m a great believer that you can get a background in anything if you’re motivated enough, you just plunge in and start to read, and amateurs’ insights may be valuable, because they’re closer to basic questions— questions like, how come the emperor has no clothes? 

One of your Amazon reviewers comments that your book is not a how-to guide for insomniacs trying to get to sleep. Were you ever tempted to write such a book?
There are no one size fits all solutions with insomnia, because it’s so complicated—it’s not one thing (as narcolepsy is), it’ s many things; there are no markers for it, not even a clear way of diagnosing it; we all come to it by different routes, and therefore what works for me may not work for you. There are obvious “do nots”: avoid caffeine and alcohol, avoid evening naps, don’t engage in work or social activities that hype you up in the evening, don’t eat big meals late at night. Most insomniacs already know such things, and yet there’s an entire cottage industry of books that announces them like they were new news.

Here’s an Amazon review I’m proud of:

"This isn't a 'self-help' but a self-helping book. Here's just about everything you can try, with details about what happened to the author when she tried them. She is wonderfully careful to stress that everyone experiences insomnia differently, and the best she can do is share her own and a few other's experiences. And her indignation that medical science has simply given up on insomnia as just too hard."

I like the idea that the book is self-helping: that’s what I hoped to do, help people find a way of their own, learn how to trouble-shoot their condition and work out ways for themselves; and I’ve had dozens of emails from readers telling me that the book has worked this way for them. Talking to insomniacs was a big part of this, because we’re the experts, we’re the only ones who know what works, not some man in a white coat who may have a degree but who’s probably given sleep all of ten-minutes thought, or who has a CPAP machine he wants to sell you. So it is in a way a self-help book, though not in a usual package.

You present evidence that drug development, rather than understanding, is the goal of most scientists who study insomnia. Has there been any more basic research since the book was published, that you know about? Do you see any promising findings on the horizon?

Actually, I found a split in the world of sleep medicine, between the mind people and the brain people: neuroscience is trying to understand the neurophysiology of sleep, to figure out how the sleep system works, while most insomnia research tells us insomnia is about conditioning, bad habits and attitudes that we can retrain by going to bed and getting up at the same time every day, cleaning up our sleep habits, restricting our sleep. Drug research is done mainly by drug companies, and they’ve certainly tried to find a better pill, but it’s difficult, when so little is known about sleep. The hope is in the basic research that will figure out how sleep works; then maybe someone can figure out why it doesn’t work for some people and develop treatments that target the problem, rather than just bludgeoning the central nervous system, as current medications do. Since my book came out, there have been new discoveries about genetic factors in long and short sleep and how people react to sleep deprivation—this is all very exciting, and exactly what I predicted; but research has a long way to go before it will understand sleep well enough to develop effective treatments .

When people hear you have insomnia, what is their response? How do you cope with it?

They assume you’re crazy, screwed up, stressed out, that you have a guilty conscience, or something like that. For a long while, I kind of accepted this—I know I don’t live a stress-free life. But then I opened m eyes and started looking around at the people I know—and hey, wait a minute, she’s got a lot more anxiety than I have, and he’s a lot more stressed out, and she’s tangled up in knots of rage about her life and work—and they sleep like a stones. Sure enough, when I started researching sleep, I learned that the sleep system is a physiological system, like the digestive system or respiratory system; some people have weaker or stronger systems, just as some people have strong stomachs or musculoskeletal systems; and the differences are coming to be understood as genetic. People tend to assume that their good sleep is on account of something they’re doing right and therefore my insomnia is on account of something I’m doing wrong, but the good sleep is no more something a person can take credit for than being tall or blond. It’s a gift, like extraordinary beauty, talent, or intelligence. 
You’ve connected with insomniacs all over the world through talks, radio broadcasts, and blogs. What insights did you get from talking with all these sleepless people?

The main thing I learned talking to other insomniacs is how much misery this problem causes. I knew this from my own experience, but I hadn’t seen anything yet. I’m in a profession where I can pretty much set my own hours, and I have access to medications— I’ve got it easy. But for people who have to function in a 9 to 5 world, who have to get kids off to school, it can wreak such havoc that the person can’t hold a job, has to go on disability. So it knocked some of the self-pity right out of me. “Nobody ever died of insomnia,” I’ve heard doctors say, but it’s not true: insomnia is a risk for depression, alcoholism, suicide. “People die of insomnia, all the time,” says a character in Stephen King’s Insomnia, “although the medical examiner usually ends up writing suicide on the ‘cause-of-death’ line, rather than insomnia.” Then too there’s the death by a thousand cuts it inflicts: Insomniacs have two to three times the rate of doctor consultations as people without sleep complaints, twice the number of hospitalizations, and more than twice the rate of auto accidents. So we may not drop dead of insomnia the next day, but chronic sleep loss may be cutting years off our lives. It’s simply outrageous that it’s not taken more seriously.


Do you have any advice on agents, publishing, e-publishing today?
The last article I wrote, “Science with a Skew: The Nuclear Power Industry After Chernobyl and Fukushima,” was turned down by alternative print media, and so I gave it to the Asia-Pacific Journal, http://japanfocus.org/-Gayle-Greene/3672

—and it went viral, more than 39,000 references, last I Googled it, and was translated into Japanese. That was a lesson to me—skip the print and go straight for the web. Of course you have to be willing to write for nothing, but I’m used to that.


Do you use social media? What are the up and down sides to them for authors today?

Sort of. I wish I were less of a technoklutz. I joined Facebook because I was told I’d need to promote my book—I ended up doing nothing by way of promotion, but I’ve had fun connecting with former students and long-lost friends—and with anti-nuclear activists. So it hasn’t done a thing for Insomniac, but it was helpful when I was writing about Fukushima, it put me in touch with stuff published all over the world. If you’re writing about something that isn’t honestly presented in mainstream media—and that’s a lot of things—the Web is where it’s at.

Any other thoughts about writing Insomniac you’d like to share with the readers? 
Turn your obsessions into books—I think that was a good instinct. It was a 6–year slog, writing Insomniac, and a steep learning curve, but I’m glad I did it. Do I sleep any better? Not really. But I know a lot more about sleep, I have a better understanding of where my problem came from, in terms of nature and nurture, and I know there are many people far worse off than I am. It’s a great mystery, sleep, and it still fascinates me, which is pretty amazing, after such a total immersion in the subject.

Do you have a blog, and/or do you want to refer the readers to your Amazon book page?

http://sleepstarved.org/  (though I haven’t done much with it in awhile)
http://www.amazon.com/Insomniac-Gayle-Greene/dp/0520259963
http://www.amazon.com/The-Woman-Who-Knew-Much/dp/0472087835
http://fora.tv/speaker/4151/Gayle_Greene